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Welcome to the Jim Bakker Show, coming to you from the Village of Morningside, snuggled in the beautiful Ozark Mountains.
Today, Jim's special guest, Lt Col Robert Macginnis, Tom Horn.
I'm Zach Drew, along with the Morningside band.
And now, direct from Grace Street at Morningside, here are your hosts, Jim and Lori Bakker.
[Pastor Jim] Hello everybody!
Welcome to Grace Street.
So grateful to have you at our house today.
We have an amazing broadcast.
You do not want to miss this show.
We have the Final Pope author with us today.
Thomas Horn is back.
You're a great guest.
You brought a special friend with you today.
I just got his book last night.
I'm a speed reader, but not that fast.
I was racing through this book.
I want to tell you, this book, Never Submit, is perhaps one of the most important books you'll ever read.
It's America's time to read this book now.
Now.
Lt Col Robert Maginnis is with us today from the Pentagon.
He is a senior strategist at the Pentagon.
How long have you been in and out of the Pentagon, have you been in different positions there, I know over the years.
[Lt Col Maginnis] I started in '69 at West Point, and I'm still at the Pentagon.
So a couple of years in between, so it's over 40 years.
[Pastor Jim] Wow.
So you work for the department of the army, you worked as inspector general at the Pentagon.
What else did you do?
Can you give me a little bit more of your background?
[Lt Col Maginnis] I'm a combat officer, an infantry officer, a ranger.
I've served in four infantry divisions.
Most recently I run a course through the army that trains people how to do engagements with armies across the world.
I actually trained officers and senior civilians in how to do that.
In fact, I'm just about ready to go to Europe to do another one.
And then I do a lot of media on the side, because I've been an analyst for the last couple of decades.
[Pastor Jim] You're really called upon by the media.
I know you're on CNN, you're on FOX.
Of course, we see you.
Newspapers, New York Times, US Newsreel Report, Time Magazine.
You have written 235 reports on ISIS.
So if there's anybody I want to interview today, who is ISIS, what are they doing,
what in the world is going on in our world today?
Didn't you report 9/11 on FOX News?
[Lt Col Maginnis] Yeah, I was with them several times that day, the last with Bill Bennett and O'Reilly from 11 to 12
o'clock that night.
That very day, because I was right there.
And I had predicted long before that Osama bin Laden was a threat to the United States because I covered what had
happened in Tanzania and Uganda, they attacked our embassies.
And also curiosity with what was happening with this Jihadist movement and what it meant for the United States.
[Pastor Jim] I really want to ask you a few questions about Paris.
It's like, how can this happen to Paris?
How does your book, this book Never Submit, and I'm telling you, people, I've just gotten this book, and we'll go into it
a little bit more as we go along today.
But you can order the book through our show, get it now and read it.
You don't know where truth is anymore, you need to study.
The Bible says study to show yourself approved.
We need to find out truth, because we're in deep, deep trouble.
[Zach] One of the things that I'm excited about having Lt Col Robert Maginnis here today is that he has all of this inside
information, and even being at the Pentagon and being able to filter through what we're seeing on the media and be able to talk
to us about the real truth about what's going on.
Because even though he's hardcore in the government, knows his information, he filters it all through a
Biblical worldview.
[Lori] Thank you, Lord.
[Pastor Jim] Tom, tell us how you met.
[Tom Horn] Well actually, we have a mutual friend, Terry James, who is a blind conservative Baptist writer.
Published a lot of books, I think Terry's got 40 or 50 books out there now that's been published over the years.
I knew him, and he came to me one day and he said, "Hey, would you be interested in publishing a book?"
Because he knew that Joel Richardson and I are friends and that Joel and I had talked quite a bit, you've had Joel on the
program, about the whole apocalyptic mindset behind ISIS, which was important to me.
And Terry said, "How would you like to publish a guy that works at the Pentagon who happens to agree with this apocalyptic
mindset, but who has an insider's, well a plan, really, for how to defeat the Islamic state?"
And this from a guy that this is what he does.
He teaches people how to make war.
And yet, he's a prophecy believer?
I'm like, wow, really?
This is a lot of good stuff all rolled into one.
And not just a Christian, a conservative Christian.
Because today Christianity can mean anything, right?
I jumped at the chance.
[Pastor Jim] That's shocking that you're a conservative.
There's such a warfare.
America has changed in the last decade, couple of decades, extreme change.
It's like God has been outlawed, and every other "ism" has been allowed in.
I'm scared for America, I really am.
I love America.
And I believe America is in deep, deep trouble.
What do you see from inside the Pentagon?
[Lt Col Maginnis] Well I agree with you, Pastor.
In fact, the American people do as well.
A new poll says about 83% have no confidence.
[Pastor Jim] How many?
[Lt Col Maginnis] 83%.
[Pastor Jim] 83% have no confidence.
[Lt Col Maginnis] Confidence in the direction that we're going with regards to terrorists.
[Pastor Jim] Does anybody hear?
Are you all listening to me?
I mean, why is nobody listening but yet everybody's saying the same thing?
[Lt Col Maginnis] Well they are.
As we look around the landscape of the world, we see wars throughout the Middle East.
It's imploding.
We see the Europe that we used to think was stable.
It's really been set by terrorists, Russia is loose, the Chinese are becoming very adversarial.
There's not a safe place in the world, which include our own border, which are wide open to Jihadists.
We have plenty of reports there.
So you look around the world.
You can't help but believe.
If you're a believer in 1 Timothy 3, you see all of that happening in the culture, you believe in Zechariah, you see
Israel is a target.
So as I look geopolitically at what's happening in the world, I look at it through that lens and understand that we are, perhaps,
treading ever close to an end-time scenario.
And interestingly the ISIS people, the Islamist, they said that in their own writings.
I look at Dabiq, which of course is their glossy magazine.
Just this past week I was looking at it.
They talk about the end times.
They talk about hating everybody but them, and their own particular slice of Islam, which is radical to say the least.
And I look at what our president is doing.
It seems like he's running in the opposite direction that the American people want us to go.
We feel abandoned in terms of our own personal security.
That's why the polls are beginning to reflect that the American people believe that this man is not looking out for
our best interests.
And that's unfortunate, because we need a Commander in Chief.
Applause.
[Lori] There it is.
[Pastor Jim] And I think as Christians we're told to respect our leaders, we're told to pray for our leaders.
I mean, we need to pray for our president like we've never prayed before.
It's so heartbreaking, because America is really divided.
But yet more and more that are screaming out that they're worried about Paris.
Can we talk a little bit about Paris today?
Of what's happened over in Paris, and then in Belgium.
Brussels is an amazing city.
Have you ever been there?
It's a beautiful city.
I flew there from India one time from the worst floods in history,
and I land at this beautiful shiny airport in Brussels.
It was such a contrast.
And they closed, as we're taping this program, they have been closed, the city has been closed for days.
Come on, there's got to be more that they know that they're not telling us.
They've closed down Brussels in Belgium.
To close it all down for weeks now almost, it's going into a second week, I think.
[Zach] Yeah, the article right here says, "Brussels will remain at the highest possible alert level."
It says, "...with schools, universities, and metros over a 'serious and imminent' threat of attacks similar to those that
struck Paris, the Belgian Prime Minister said."
[Lt Col Maginnis] Really the reason is because they've lost control of their culture.
For instance, in Belgium, we've had about 700 people that have gone to Syria learn how to kill, and many of them have come back.
In France alone you had 1800 that had gone to Syria, and 180 have come back,
and there's a bunch of them that are still loose.
You also have within those countries, I call it a Dalmatian effect, in the industrial areas of Lyon, in Paris and Marseille,
these ghettos of people that had come in there as legal refugees, but they failed to totally assimilate.
That's important, because when ISIS comes in and recruits, they recruit amongst the dissatisfied people, the people that want
a different purpose, that don't like the west.
So they raised up five of those killers the other night in Paris were all French nationals.
And of course the ring leader appears to have been a Frenchman who was in Syria, who was controlling things from rocket.
So you've got this happening across Europe.
It's been going on for a couple of decades, and it's getting very, very bad.
[Pastor Jim] You say it's been going on for several decades.
When I read Joel's book, it was such a shock to my system.
I didn't put it down, like your book.
I got my hands on it, and I had to go to sleep because I have to do a show.
You get home you got to sleep.
But I read Joel's, you read it, too.
And it was so shocking that what I thought was coming someday is already here.
We've been infiltrated.
You know, the communists used to have an agenda.
They said they would destroy America from within.
And it looks like it's not the communist, but it looks like there's another group that's here already.
Do you think even ISIS is inside of our country.
[Lt Col Maginnis] Of course.
There are a thousand investigations the FBI is doing right now.
We have the likes of the Muslim Brotherhood who have made it very clear their intent is to take over as much as they can.
And I talked to a gentleman the other day who has interviewed hundreds of al Qaida and Islamists in the Middle East,
and he said, "Bob, they don't just want to kill us, they want to take over our children.
What they want to do is come in and take over the schools."
And if you look at the investments of the radical Saudi Arabian government, they're in our prisons, they're in our
schools, they run the teachers colleges, in many cases, through their endowments and the like.
This is what they're thinking long-term.
But we have to recognize that yes, we have a very serious terrorist threat, we have ISIS amongst us.
My own son-in-law, Sargent at our local police department, went into a home, the parents didn't know the son had an ISIS
flag on the wall.
He had been recruiting for ISIS, and sent some of his friends to Syria.
That's the sort of thing that Americans have to wake up and recognize that we have a real threat here.
[Lori] Yes we do.
It's very serious.
[Pastor Jim] What happened in Paris?
How could this happen?
We're told that they have the best security.
Do they have a better infrastructure for defending their own country than we do?
[Lt Col Maginnis] No, not any better.
Their borders were wide open because of the Schengen Agreement, which basically says you don't need a passport
to go from one country to another.
So there's the flow of people back and forth.
That Syrian that was in that group, he went to Syria, and apparently they didn't know, in Paris, that this happened.
They do have a lot of police, they have a lot of surveillance cameras, they have reasonably good intel,
but it failed, it totally failed.
When you talk about six targets simultaneously, they had practiced maybe a couple of targets simultaneously, but six
just blew their minds in terms of security.
In America, we've done similar things.
We've increased three-fold our intelligence.
We've increased a host of other things, certainly made our borders tighter.
It was only or 19 back in 2001.
Today, it's 48000 and growing.
The vulnerability that we have, though, and most of the non-American Jihadists
that have come here have come through the Visa program.
The Visa program allowed the shoe bomber to come in, allowed the underwear bomber to come in, and allows a lot of people.
In fact, in countries like Germany and Australia that we're good friends with, there are known about 5000 Jihadists that
could get on an airplane today and not be stopped because of our Visa program, and come to America and do something.
We have some evidence that it's happened in the past.
We need to get really serious about this.
In fact, the Canadians, interestingly, they said they're going to welcome 25000 Syrians very shortly.
Our president says 10000, which is far too many.
But they're talking about 25000.
And given the forced border we have with Canada, you have to wonder, how many people are going to come south?
And we already have a problem with people coming north.
Just the other day we stopped nine trying to come into our southern border, and then five down in Honduras.
So there is a very serious border issue.
[Pastor Jim] I hear every day on the news our leaders saying there is no problem, we have no evidence,
you'll hear one person say.
"There's no evidence that there's anyone inside of our country," or anyone planning anything.
Yet in their magazines they say, "We plan to destroy America."
The very first statement after Paris, what was it, Lori?
You remember?
[Lori] One of the first ones I heard was that they were coming for Washington, D.C. and they wanted to taste American blood,
because that was the best blood they could taste.
[Pastor Jim] It's in the social media, it's everywhere.
How can our leaders keep telling us there's no sign that there's any danger in America?
Yet you're telling me ISIS is in America.
[Lt Col Maginnis] They're lying to you.
Applause.
[Zach] Now is it just you that says they're lying to us, or are there other people with you at the Pentagon that understand the
lies that take place?
[Lt Col Maginnis] Well, if you'd listen to the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, he was on FOX last night, he
said, "Look, we've been telling the White House for years that this is a growing threat."
Even Dianne Feinstein, who is no republican, she said on the news the other day, she reads the intelligence every day, and she
says the problem is growing, it's getting much worse.
What they want to do, they're changing the dynamics of how they conduct operations.
They use homegrown terrorists, but then they use some of these turning Jihadists that have the killing skills, and then they
have the general operation out of overseas, out of Syria or elsewhere.
So those three coming together is very volatile.
And that's what happened in Paris.
They were able to, in a very sophisticated fashion, hit six targets simultaneously, about a $2000 investment.
They made the suicide bombs out of hydrogen peroxide, which is the same problem we've had in this country, and that's the
reason you can't take fluids on airplanes these days, because you take simple Clorox, basically, and make it into an
explosive device.
And of course acquiring the weapons, they got the weapons mostly from the Balkans.
It was not very hard to pull this off, but what I think should steal everyone's blood, and that's why in Never Submit I
have a chapter, a couple of chapters, on what Islam teaches.
You have to understand that these people are sealed with hatred, and they're willing to die for their cause, and they
will die whether we like it or not, they're going to die killing us, given the opportunity.
I was on CNN with Chris Cuomo the other day, and somebody who had just been at that theater where they were methodically
going down shot by shot by shot, killing those people.
And this guy said, "These people were so cruel.
The killers.
They were all dressed up alike, they said one very simple thing, "Allahu Akbar," God is great.
"We're doing this because of what you did in Syria."
And one after another.
And I've been in Iraq where Saddam Hussein buried thousands of people, and I saw the hands cuffed behind their head, and a
shot in their skull, a single bullet shot.
That's what they do.
And they want to bring that here.
They do it all over Syria and Iraq, and we have to recognize that same barbarism that they evidence.
They want to bring it here, and we have to be careful.
[Pastor Jim] Is there a chance that they can do that?
[Lt Col Maginnis] Yes.
[Pastor Jim] Do we have holes in our system that they can come through?
[Lt Col Maginnis] All we have to do is be wrong one percent of the time and we're vulnerable.
It only took, what, 8 people?
So how hard is it to get 8 people?
Our borders, we're about 40% to 50% effective at stopping the flow of people, are people trying to get into our southwest
borders, or people flying in that shouldn't fly in, or they're coming from the north?
Of course they are.
Are they amongst us?
Yes they are.
So the elements are there.
[Pastor Jim] And millions are coming across our south borders.
Millions over the years.
Is that right?
[Lt Col Maginnis] True.
[Pastor Jim] So it's not possible some of our enemies can sneak in with the Hispanic people coming across the border?
[Lt Col Maginnis] In May of this year, Dabiq, the ISIS magazine, talked about a plan that they had.
And you can read it, it's online.
It's not very easy to read, by the way.
It's in English, but it's not very good English.
They talked about acquiring, basically radioactive materials.
They would then ship this radioactive material to their friends in Libya, that civil war country, ISIS has part of it.
They would then use the drug cartels operating out of Nigeria to ship it over to Colombia, and then of course up to our border
aboard vehicles, and then they would plant it in certain places.
Now that may seem outlandish.
Then on the 7th of October this year, the FBI revealed in the Associated Press that there were all sorts of illegal gangs that
were trying to sell radioactive materials to group flag guys.
Do they want to do that?
Yes.
The other day the president of France, Hollande, said, we're concerned about a biological and chemical attack.
Now we've seen plenty of chemical feuds in Syria, but it's the radiological device with some explosive TNT, or even
a hydrogen peroxide bomb, or plastic explosive, in a city like Washington, D.C., it would become a contaminated place for
forever.
[Tom Horne] One thing I've wondered about is what about an airplane, and you turn it into aerosol, like a crop duster?
You fly over a major metropolitan area with dirty materials, radioactive materials.
[Lt Col Maginnis] It's interesting, they were talking about, ISIS was talking about using it as a suicide bomb.
I don't know.
Because we have this nice ocean between us and them.
Would they like to do that?
Of course.
I've said many times, they spend 30 hours a day, that's an exaggeration, I understand,
30 hours a day trying to figure out how to kill us.
And if you've ever, I've been to Guantanamo and I've watched them interrogate Jihadists, al Qaida, some of the most feared people.
I talked to the investigators and interrogators.
These people truly do hate us.
They hate what we represent.
And they do believe that they should dominate the world.
And unfortunately, if you don't remove them, they will continue to do this.
And the more power and the longer we stay back, like our president has allowed us to stay back, and allowed this across a
very large area of the world, the more serious it becomes today, I think we're beginning to see the ramifications.
A tsunami of young men flooding all over Western Europe, terrorism is on the rise, fear among all westerners high.
The governments in the Middle East just can't contain us.
So that, of course, invites the likes of Russia in.
You could make a pretty good case here, Pastor, that these do look like the end times.
[Zach] And one of the things that's unfortunate is that seemingly the Islamic community
is more end-times-minded than the Christian community is.
They're more apocalyptic-minded than we are, in a lot of the sense.
And the thing is is that if we understood what the Word of God actually said about the end times, if we knew the Word of
God like the back of our hand, like Christians should, we'd understand if we just simply looked upon the world scene,
that we have entered into the end times.
We have.
So if you understand Islamic eschatology and their apocalyptic mindset,
you understand why they're doing the things they do.
Well, why would these Islamic extremists, why would they want to infiltrate the United States?
Why wouldn't they just be satisfied with staying in the Middle East?
Because with their apocalyptic mindset you understand, according to their end-times thoughts, their eschatology,
that they want to infiltrate the rest of the world to set up a one-world global Caliphate.
And you understand, well that's why they don't want to stay in the Middle East, because they
believe it's so close to the end, they're infiltrating right now as we speak.
[Tom Horne] And Zach, that's partly what makes them so dangerous, is that we as Christians, we observe prophecy.
We believe prophecy will happen, it was predicted, the end times will unfold,
and we observe it, but we don't make it happen, right?
We just observe it.
Where in the Sunni Islamic belief, it's their responsibility to initiate Armageddon.
And that's why they're driven to do what they do.
[Pastor Jim] They want us to attack them.
[Tom Horne] That's why they're killing people and boiling them.
[Pastor Jim] Do you understand that?
They're not trying to save their own hides.
We're trying to save our own hides.
They're not.
They want us to attack them.
And if they die, they go to Heaven or someplace.
[Tom Horne] It's seven levels of Heaven and seven levels of Hell.
I don't understand that,, but whatever.
[Pastor Jim] This is a war.
I've had so many guests say they believe we're in the third World War.
What does a Lt Col say about war?
I'm just going to tell you what I think, I just think this is the third World War, I think it's a different kind of war,
but it's world-wide.
The enemy has already infiltrated our country, and has done it all over the world.
The Christians are being beheaded in the Mid-East.
They're being killed.
And most churches do not want to hear it.
They don't even want to hear.
I have never had such warfare of people upset because the guests I bring on, because they don't want to hear.
They want somebody to come on and tell you how to make some more money.
And I want to tell you something, all that money you pile in the bank, one of these days, if these things happen,
your money's gone.
I mean, Ted Koppel wrote a book, you know Ted, I'm sure, and it's called Lights Out.
Do you know about the grid?
Have you studied the grid?
He says, he doesn't even say it's going to happen, he says it's absolutely going to happen.
He doesn't say he thinks it's going to happen, he says this will happen if we don't do something about it.
And he said the cyber, and we've studied the bombs, EMP bombs, and the solar and the sun, and then Ted Koppel comes out and
talks about there are people in our grid system right now.
Do you have any information about that?
[Lt Col Maginnis] What I can talk about, I will.
Cyber is a very serious threat.
The Federal Government is hit every day by millions of cyber attacks.
Millions.
I can tell on my computer at the Pentagon slows down, the Chinese had been very happy that day.
Constant shutting down of operations across the government.
But the infrastructure, of course, we're so connected, so interconnected electronically that we are very vulnerable to
the likes of EMP, or whatever.
And when Zach was talking about the Sunnis and what Tom talked about, I think of what the Shia have been saying.
The way in which they bring back their Mahdi, their Messiah, is by the elimination of the United States and Israel.
And the Ayatollah made it very clear in many statements, "We want to destroy you.
Death to America."
Even in the wake of this giveaway nuclear program that our president has done, which has backfired, I think already,
it's going to get even worse, that they are developing capabilities.
ISIS is very bad, Iran is very, very bad.
And they're kind of a secret sort of thing.
I was speaking at a conference a month ago.
And after I spoke, this man who was from Iran came up, and he said, "You're 100% right,
you know exactly what you're talking about.
These people are very, very dangerous.
This man had been in prison in Iran for 18 months, and God gave him a dream, and He said, "You're going to get out."
And he did.
And now he's in exile in the West.
And he's doing everything he can to warn the American people in North America about that threat.
So yes, ISIS is the immediate threat, Iran is a very serious threat, and of course we face others.
For years I wrote about China, for years I've written about Russia, I've been to Russia, I've been to China.
These are very, very strenuous times.
Unfortunately, as I indicate, Pastor, and never submit, I talk about what happens in the National Security Council.
I have friends that go over there.
They won't let me because of my conservative views.
I have friends who have tried to communicate to these people, and they'll go in there, and these young people who really have no
background to do the things they do will say, "No, we can't do that."
Or they're sycophants when the president shows up and asks them how things are happening.
They're making critical decisions.
We spent a trillion dollars and 4000 American lives in a place called Iraq, and now we continue to spend in places like
Afghanistan, and now Syria.
We need adult leadership, and yet we don't have it at our national security council.
Yet they have good intelligence.
And occasionally we actually have some good people at the Pentagon.
I'm friends with a lot of the top generals.
I went to school with the very senior, and unfortunately I've been incredibly disappointed that they bought into the
political establishment, they bought in, thinking that they're more important and their image is more important than the trust
of the American people.
So I felt abandoned by my own friends, people that were in positions of authority.
I had a four-star Marine tell me years ago, he said, "Bob, the reason I wouldn't throw my stars on the president's desk is
because I didn't think anyone else could do the job."
I didn't buy that, and I don't buy it today.
And yet we have plenty of people in very senior positions making life and death decisions
for our security in this country, and they've abandoned us.
[Tom Horne] And as a lay person, of course I have no experience whatsoever in military strategy or border control or any of that
other stuff, but one of the things that's concerned me, I think we're actually at greater risk right now of an attack,
like Paris, maybe something much worse in the United States than we ever have been before, and part of that is because of our
border policy, part of it is because for at least 7 years we've had an absence of executive leadership.
It's even been hostile to good intelligence.
A lot of the guys you're working with, they give the government good intelligence, but they only find hostility.
Hillary Clinton saying Muslims have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorism, and that kind of crazy apologetic that's coming.
And here's what I think, Jim.
I'm just jumping in here and then I'll shut up.
[Pastor Jim] Just stay in the pool, we want you swimming.
[Tom Horne] Stay in the pool, okay.
I think that between now and the presidential election might be one of the most critical times in America history because the
people who are coming across our borders, and I saw it's actually American Enterprise Institute published a report yesterday,
they're polling the people, the refugees as they're coming across the border, and 13% of them are sympathetic to ISIS.
13%.
And of course, maybe they're being conservative.
Maybe not everybody would admit, that they're coming into the country.
So you might have two out of ten that are coming here.
These are people who would work with ISIS against the United States, and they're coming across our borders.
But they've got to know that between now and the coming election one year from now is their best window of
opportunity, because talk about sympathies, they're getting it from the federal level on down.
But what's everybody in the GOP right now saying?
They're saying, "Elect me and the first thing I'm going to do is I'm going to close the borders and put these people on
trains back to their countries."
And so I think why that's critical is it might mean there's a thinking in the terror communities that this is their
best time between now and the election to do something.
[Zach] We will be right back after this special message.
Explosions.
[Rick Wiles] We're already in the third world war, it's actually underway right now.
China and Russia are waging financial war against the US dollar.
There are cyber wars that are taking place.
There are mysterious explosions taking place in certain countries, including China.
Massive explosions where chemical plants are blowing up.
[Rabbi Cahn] Number one, I believe a great shaking is coming.
Great shaking that will change things, effecting America financially, economically, and more than that.
And will affect the world, but a change of history.
[Joel Richardson] And he says "You guys know how to interpret the signs of the weather."
And then he rebuked them and he said "But you don't know how to interpret the signs of the times."
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[Pastor Jim] Could we do a Bakker's dozen on the book?
[Zach] Yes we sure can.
[Pastor Jim] Never Submit book.
[Zach] Yes, that's right, and you can get 13, a Bakker's dozen for a donation of $130 to the ministry.
[Pastor Jim] You know what that boils down to?
[Zach] Yeah, $10 a book.
[Pastor Jim] Wow!
That is half retail.
You can get one book for a gift of $20, but if you get the Bakker's Dozen , they are down to $10.
Give them out.
I am serious.
Get strong, make Christmas count.
Isn't that what we said?
[Mama Lori] Make Christmas Count is the theme of this Christmas.
[Pastor Jim] You know what?
Lori and I have been talking it over, we love Christmas.
We love Christmas, but we almost have a love, hate relationship right now with Christmas because we have a big family.
Do you know what it is like to have to buy presents for everybody?
Try to figure out the right ones, the good ones.
And then you get it done and people go, "I don't remember what I got last year."
[Mama Lori] Exactly.
We are not doing that this year.
[Pastor Jim] We are giving survival buckets whether to our kids.
Applause.
[Mama Lori] We have a Christmas bucket, a Christmas Variety Buckets.
It's like Merry Christmas kids.
[Pastor Jim] Every time I give them one and then they have it stacked at their hosue.
That is one less that they are going to come to my house and get if things get bad.
For a gift of $100 we are sending the Christmas Variety Bucket.
This is about a month and a half of food, it's the best.
In packets.
[Zach] 18 different foods and drinks in there, 51 days of food, and it is for a donation of only $100 to the ministry.
And remember that for every thousand dollars you donate to the ministry you help sponsor the prayer mountain chapel
that's being built right now.
And you get your name, for every thousand dollars, on the eternal prayer wall.
So if you donate for 10 of these buckets, you become a prayer mountain chapel sponsor.
[Pastor Jim] If I just had 100 people give $1000, just give a check for $1000, we could start the chapel before Christmas..
And that's what I felt led to build the chapel out of.
My first home is almost done, that we're building.
Which God showed me like 25 years ago I would build these dome houses in the last days.
And they really are amazing.
In fact I'm so in love with the model that I'd like to get it myself.
But it's too expensive for me.
[Mama Lori] Like I said, I find out half of my life on this show.
[Pastor Jim] That unit, that's got some more work to do on it.
It's going to have a sunroom, or a greenhouse on the side where you can sit out on your green porch,
your greenroom with plants in it.
You can grow stuff in the winter.
But you can be warm out there in the middle.
And it's an amazing, that's the bathroom in the side of the mountain.
That's where the commode sits.
There's the chandeliers going into the dome.
And it's an amazing product.
It has a fireplace.
Every dome house has either a fireplace or a wood-burning stove for any emergencies.
They stay so cool, they're like caverns and caves.
And there's the kitchen going in right now.
Wait until you see it done.
And it's just an amazing house.
It's just an amazing place.
And it's fireproof.
People have been through forest fires in California in the dome house, and just go inside and the fire went on by.
[Mama Lori] I understand, I heard that the kids, the students,
some of the students went up with you to Prayer Mountain.
So I believe it must be, I wasn't there, so I'm looking to see it too.
It must be Jim Bakker with some of our media students up on Prayer Mountain.
Music plays from phone.
[Pastor Jim] It's just a few days before Christmas.
Theron gave me his phone with Christmas music.
And so today we've been laying out a more defined circle where the prayer dome will go here on Prayer Mountain.
And I want to thank all of you that have been supporting Prayer Mountain.
And we're believing God by Christmas that we will be able to begin building the chapel here on Prayer Mountain.
As you look around here we've been tying ribbons, it's amazing.
All we could find was red ribbon and we tied these red ribbons to mark the exact spot for the chapel.
And it's like we're decorating prayer mountain for Christmas in honor of Jesus.
And it's really been amazing being up here looking out right now.
In fact as I look over there I can see the water tower here at Morningside.
And I can see the big bell tower on top of Grace Street there, and all the colorful buildings.
It's really quite a sight from this prayer mountain area.
And hearing Christmas music in the background has really put me in the Christmas mood.
But I want to thank you again and pray that some of you will go and say "We're going to place our family name as an act of
praise." We're going to give a Christmas gift to God, a chapel that people can come to 24 hours a day here.
It is a ways up, it's about a mile drive to get up here to prayer mountain, but it will be worth it, and it is beautiful,
beautiful. A beautiful place here at the Ozark Mountains. A beautiful place here at Morningside.
I'm going to go back to our program for now, but I want to say again, Merry Christmas from Prayer Mountain.
My first Merry Christmas from Prayer Mountain.
Go loves you, we love you, we're so excited when we can all gather here on Prayer Mountain.
It won't be long if you stand with us.
God loves you, oh he really does.
The thing that I want to tell people watching the show today is we have for a few more days, we have put together the biggest
and the best per serving offer of food we have ever offered.
This is an amazing, amazing offer.
[Zach] That's right, it's called the peace of mind offer.
And you have the basic.
[Pastor Jim] That must be Lori's offer.
[Zach] Yes, she actually created the name.
[Mama Lori] I love the name.
[Pastor Jim] And honestly if you order this order, it's the 7 years of food all in packets.
The best food we have.
These are the big master buckets here.
This is the, like the rolled oats and the wheat and all the sugar and everything.
Amazing for bulk food.
That's almost 8 years isn't it?
[Zach] Yes, it's well over 7 years of food right here, the bulk buckets.
And it's 28 buckets of bulk food.
And it also comes with all the buckets that are behind me right now.
[Pastor Jim] And this is 7 years.
And all of this is the best food there is.
That's Joseph's storehouse, the big, I mean anybody that feels like we might go through something, this is like going to
your own store.
This is where you go.
You've got bananas, you think banana's grow in the supermarket, they don't.
They grow down south.
And potatoes and all of the amazing food in bulk.
The milk bucket is 55 gallons in one of the powdered buckets.
55 gallons of milk.
And if you like skim milk you can end up with 100 and some gallons of milk
if you want to water it down to what they do for skim milk.
But these are amazing.
If you're ever going to help yourself, when the even that these men on today's broadcast comes about.
I mean you've got learned scholars saying there's going to be an attack on America.
You've got a man who, one of the top journalists of all time saying there's going to be a time when the power grid
is going down and they're already planning it.
[Zach] That's right, and they're not only capable of hacking into our power grid, Ted Koppel warns that currently as you and I sit
here they are currently, China and Russia are sitting in our grid.
And he warns that even Iran is on the verge of being able to simply just sit in the grid and be able to turn off whenever
they would like to.
[Pastor Jim] Did you hear what the Colonel said?
He works in the Pentagon.
This is one of our great leaders.
I hope he serves in our government forever, until he's 120.
But what did he say?
Daily, I'm sure I didn't hear him right.
[Zach] No, he said millions.
[Pastor Jim] He did, because he said every day in the Pentagon, they're hacking into the systems over a million times in a day.
Millions of times.
That's insane.
He said they hack so much he can tell when the computers at the Pentagon slow down.
They've already hacked into our grid according to the experts.
It will be a cyber war on our grid that Ted Koppel says will bring it down.
So why wouldn't you have food?
I don't get what's going on.
I don't get people saying don't prepare.
If there's 1% chance that maybe I heard from God, I would be prepared.
And I am prepared because God has never lied to me.
God has never told me anything that did not come to pass.
Everything is coming to pass that he ever told me about.
And so today the best thing that I can say for someone who is not prepared, pray about, instead of doing a wasteful Christmas,
order the peace of mind offer, get enough food for how many years?
[Zach] It's a total of 14 years and 8 months of food.
[Pastor Jim] 14 years and 8 months.
[Zach] Yeah it boils down to 28 cents a serving.
[Mama Lori] So again this is the bulk food over here, but then over here we have.
And we have been the taste testers here.
We have tasted every single one of these foods.
And they come in the individual packets inside the buckets.
And again I say it over and over and over, but Rick Joyner said years ago you better have something to barter with.
This makes an amazing bartering tool.
[Zach] And these buckets, in each of the buckets is actually 90 days of food
with 18 different recipes within the buckets.
[Pastor Jim] Well Lori has one of the marinara.
[Mama Lori] That's your favorite, there it is.
[Pastor Jim] Now listen to me, if you have this, it's so saucy.
Is that a word?
When I go to get spaghetti in a restaurant, I want a little noodles with my sauce.
Forgive me you guys up in Alaska.
But when I first went to Alaska, I was on the Alcan Highway and I stopped at a restaurant.
I said I wanted spaghetti.
You know what I got?
A plate of spaghetti, no sauce.
Just the noodles.
I don't know if they still do that in Alaska or not, but it was.
[Mama Lori] Do they still do that Jovanna in Alaska?
She doesn't know.
Your mom and dad make sure you eat good.
[Pastor Jim] So this has so much sauce in it.
I mean if you're crazy about Italian food and you have your whole pile of these, you could take the rice over here.
You can take some of the rice and put this with it and you've got a tremendous Italian dish full of fiber
and full of energy for you to live on.
And so between these 2 deals we've never put them together before.
And the food companies that are working with us, the best.
And by the way I was going to tell it on the show again today.
Two of the biggest food companies, 2 of them, both have reported to us and others that the government has contacted
them that there's something coming and they let them know they wanted an inventory of all the food in their factory.
And that, that could be seized at any time.
Now I couldn't say that if that wasn't true.
We verified it, we verified with the owners of the companies.
And people are going off flipping off, just flipping.
"Who cares?
Who cares?"
You're going to care when the food is gone.
You say "Oh Jim, I don't believe that."
You're telling Jesus that he's a liar?
Jesus said there's coming a time when there will be no food to eat.
I believe it so much that I have dedicated my life to getting people ready because I believe we're going to see millions of
souls saved if we're alive to do it.
And we're going to have to be alive, is that right?
[Jerry Jones] Hey Pastor Jim, you talked about what are you going to do
with 14 years and 8 month of food, but Lori, you know.
I've seen your family, Sasha, we're all family here.
And people are going to keep coming.
They're going to keep coming and they're going to look to you to be that lighthouse.
And what are you going to do when you have that opportunity.
Like Lori has always said is feed them and then feed into them.
So you've got to have it.
And this is the best opportunity I've ever seen us be able to put together because our supplier has partnered with us on a
temporary basis to this now because they see what's going on in the world and they want to help.
[Pastor Jim] And it's temporary, people.
Before God, it's temporary.
And when this, they've prepared this food.
We can ship this tomorrow.
I mean immediately, it's shipping, they're shipping.
It's shipping now.
So the thing of it is, when it's gone, it's gone.
And it has to go back to the normal prices.
And what do they save on this?
Do you have any idea how much?
[Zach] Well the peace of mind offer, it has a retail value of over $10,800.
So it's actually a savings of $6,325.
[Pastor Jim] This is probably the biggest offer we will ever offer.
And how much money do they save?
[Zach] They save a total of $6,325.
[Pastor Jim] So it comes to how much per serving then?
[Zach] 28 cents a serving, 14 years and 8 months of food.
[Pastor Jim] 28 cents a serving, you can't get a McDonalds hamburger for that.
Remember when we used to get a McDonalds hamburger?
I think they were 15 cents when I was born, or something.
Not when I was born, when I was a kid though.
Is this breaking news?
[Zach] Breaking news right now.
[Pastor Jim] Another hostage situation in North France.
Several have suffered gunshot wounds, it's just breaking news, so we don't have the information.
But this is, they don't know if it's connected to the one on November 13th or not.
But it's just breaking news right now.
And the hostages were taken, gunshots fired, the neighborhood has been quarantined off.
And bank director and his family may have been taken as hostages.
And so it's happening, people, all over the world.
And if we don't start having compassion in our hearts for the millions of Christians.
These Christians in Africa that were just shot and killed, many of them in a luxury hotel,
they were asked to quote a verse from the Quran.
And those who couldn't, bam, they shot their brains out.
Do you people really believe nothing's going on?
If a crisis takes place, then the food's gone.
There's no time to get ready.
No stores will be open, nothing will be there.
But to have this.
With inflation alone you could just sell it to your neighbors.
It works as a trade to have these packets, especially, Lori had one of them here.
Those, that would be like having $100 bill or more.
It would be priceless really.
So today, those who will say "Jim, I really want to be ready."
And those who say "Jim, I want to give something anyways."
People give to church.
You could give this gift, what is it total now?
[Zach] It's a total of $4,500 donation for everything.
[Pastor Jim] That's a saving of over $6,000.
[Zach] And we're actually going to be throwing in a Bible bucket with that as well.
[Pastor Jim] Oh yeah, might as well throw something else in.
But what a savings, but you're giving to the work of the Lord.
And I don't even know how we do it except the food company is as passionate about getting people ready as we are.
Remember that God loves you, he really does.
Call 1-888-988-1588 or write us at PO Box 7330 Branson, Missouri 65615.
[Mama Lori] Or go to our website Jimbakkershow.com.
[Pastor Jim] Bye, bye for today, God loves you, he really does.
Bye, bye!
[Mama Lori] Bye, bye, we love you!
[Zach] Thank you watching today's broadcast.
You can donate to this ministry by calling 1-888-988-1588 or write to Jim Bakker at PO Box 7330 Branson, Missouri 65615.
Thank you for your continued prayers and support that helps keep us broadcasting around the world.